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TMMF #022 · July 24, 2024

From Opera Singer to Conversion Copywriter

Crafting Effective B2B Messaging & Embracing Data-Driven Creativity.

Guest: Carolyn Beaudoin Messaging Show notes

Why listen

The signal, minus the noise.

“There’s so much science in conversion copywriting. And also there’s a bit of creativity in there, right?”

In this episode, we dive into the world of conversion copywriting with Carolyn Beaudoin, co-founder and conversion copywriter at Boxcar Agency. With a unique background transitioning from classical music to copywriting, Carolyn shares her insights on crafting compelling B2B messaging and balancing data with creativity.

We explore Carolyn’s approach to creating hybrid one-reader messaging for multiple audiences, the importance of Jobs to Be Done research in copywriting, and strategies for effective B2B messaging and testing. Carolyn also discusses her thoughts on using AI in copywriting and the value of human creativity in the process.

Key topics covered

A skimmable map of the conversation.

Start with the idea you need, then jump into the full episode when something catches.

Carolyn’s journey from classical musician to copywriter

At 02:12, Chris and Carolyn dig into carolyn’s journey from classical musician to copywriter — a useful jump-in point if you want the practical part of this episode without scanning the whole conversation.

Lessons learned from Copyhackers and balancing data with intuition

At 05:55, Chris and Carolyn dig into lessons learned from copyhackers and balancing data with intuition — a useful jump-in point if you want the practical part of this episode without scanning the whole conversation.

Boxcar Agency’s focus and value proposition

At 09:04, Chris and Carolyn dig into boxcar agency’s focus and value proposition — a useful jump-in point if you want the practical part of this episode without scanning the whole conversation.

Creating hybrid one-reader messaging for multiple audiences

At 11:55, Chris and Carolyn dig into creating hybrid one-reader messaging for multiple audiences — a useful jump-in point if you want the practical part of this episode without scanning the whole conversation.

The importance of Jobs to Be Done research in copywriting

At 19:24, Chris and Carolyn dig into the importance of jobs to be done research in copywriting — a useful jump-in point if you want the practical part of this episode without scanning the whole conversation.

Effective interview techniques for customer research

At 24:42, Chris and Carolyn dig into effective interview techniques for customer research — a useful jump-in point if you want the practical part of this episode without scanning the whole conversation.

Testing methodologies for B2B messaging

At 30:34, Chris and Carolyn dig into testing methodologies for b2b messaging — a useful jump-in point if you want the practical part of this episode without scanning the whole conversation.

Buyer modalities and decision-maker styles in copywriting

At 36:49, Chris and Carolyn dig into buyer modalities and decision-maker styles in copywriting — a useful jump-in point if you want the practical part of this episode without scanning the whole conversation.

Show notes

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Use the timestamps as shortcuts: scan the arc, skip the obvious bit, replay the useful bit.

02:12

Carolyn’s journey from classical musician to copywriter

05:55

Lessons learned from Copyhackers and balancing data with intuition

09:04

Boxcar Agency’s focus and value proposition

11:55

Creating hybrid one-reader messaging for multiple audiences

19:24

The importance of Jobs to Be Done research in copywriting

24:42

Effective interview techniques for customer research

30:34

Testing methodologies for B2B messaging

36:49

Buyer modalities and decision-maker styles in copywriting

41:03

Common challenges in messaging and copy for clients

42:57

Using AI in copywriting and its limitations

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