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TMMF #034 · May 28, 2025

The B2B Offline Advertising Expert

Maximizing Impact Beyond Digital & Balancing Brand vs. Performance.

Guest: Brandon Lutz Messaging Show notes

Why listen

The signal, minus the noise.

“We all wanna get to Everest. Everest is like the fully actualized media plan where we have millions of dollars towards search offline, everything in between, right? And we hold space that we’re not gonna get here today.”

In this episode, we dive into the undervalued world of offline advertising with Brandon Lutz, a B2B offline media expert who has worked with several well-known technology brands including Indeed, Miro, and Amazon. With his unique perspective on reaching audiences beyond digital channels, Brandon shares insights on how offline media can help B2B SaaS companies break through the digital clutter.

We explore why offline media remains largely untapped in the B2B SaaS world and how it can complement digital strategies to create a more comprehensive marketing approach. Brandon discusses the process of adapting product marketing messaging for offline channels like audio, out-of-home, and television, and shares his framework for testing and measuring offline campaign effectiveness.

Key topics covered

A skimmable map of the conversation.

Start with the idea you need, then jump into the full episode when something catches.

Brandon’s Journey into Offline Media

At 02:44, Chris and Brandon dig into brandon’s journey into offline media — a useful jump-in point if you want the practical part of this episode without scanning the whole conversation.

Offline Media’s Role at Miro

At 04:00, Chris and Brandon dig into offline media’s role at miro — a useful jump-in point if you want the practical part of this episode without scanning the whole conversation.

Addressing Different Decision Makers with Offline Media

At 05:50, Chris and Brandon dig into addressing different decision makers with offline media — a useful jump-in point if you want the practical part of this episode without scanning the whole conversation.

Adapting Product Marketing Messaging for Offline Channels

At 08:50, Chris and Brandon dig into adapting product marketing messaging for offline channels — a useful jump-in point if you want the practical part of this episode without scanning the whole conversation.

Testing and Measuring Offline Media Effectiveness

At 10:45, Chris and Brandon dig into testing and measuring offline media effectiveness — a useful jump-in point if you want the practical part of this episode without scanning the whole conversation.

Cultural Differences in Marketing Across European Markets

At 13:45, Chris and Brandon dig into cultural differences in marketing across european markets — a useful jump-in point if you want the practical part of this episode without scanning the whole conversation.

Balancing Brand Awareness vs. Performance in Offline Media

At 17:45, Chris and Brandon dig into balancing brand awareness vs. performance in offline media — a useful jump-in point if you want the practical part of this episode without scanning the whole conversation.

Why B2B SaaS Companies Should Invest in Offline Advertising

At 20:30, Chris and Brandon dig into why b2b saas companies should invest in offline advertising — a useful jump-in point if you want the practical part of this episode without scanning the whole conversation.

Show notes

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Use the timestamps as shortcuts: scan the arc, skip the obvious bit, replay the useful bit.

02:44

Brandon’s Journey into Offline Media

04:00

Offline Media’s Role at Miro

05:50

Addressing Different Decision Makers with Offline Media

08:50

Adapting Product Marketing Messaging for Offline Channels

10:45

Testing and Measuring Offline Media Effectiveness

13:45

Cultural Differences in Marketing Across European Markets

17:45

Balancing Brand Awareness vs. Performance in Offline Media

20:30

Why B2B SaaS Companies Should Invest in Offline Advertising

23:45

Creating Distinctive Messaging in B2B Advertising

25:30

Capturing Attention Effectively in Offline Media

28:30

The “Everest Mentality” for Gaining Stakeholder Buy-in

32:15

Testing Strategies Before Approaching Stakeholders

34:45

Trends in Podcast Advertising

37:15

Using AI for Marketing Research and Communication

38:30

Brandon’s Approach to Learning and Professional Development

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